Honesty does NOT excuse Bad Behaviour – brought to you wearing my Ranty Pants.
I was banned from a Facebook Page yesterday for attacking and bullying behaviour.
Attack. Now there’s a word. Bullying. Another. Since when did disagreeing politely with a persons PUBLIC opinion become bullying? Since when is calmly saying, hey, I don’t think that was a very nice thing to say, considered attacking?
I will not own this and it shits me that someone else has branded me as such.
In NO WAY was I a bully or did I personally attack the writer. I just stated that I believed a statement on the page by the owner wasn’t a helpful or positive remark and although it may be her opinion, perhaps not all opinions should be shared in such a forum. In fact, I did not see ONE SINGLE comment which attacked or bullied the writer – people simply disagreed with her and said they thought in inappropriate, as I did. But you cant see these now as they were all deleted and soon after so was the original thread. You just have her word that she was indeed bullied and personally attacked. Pffft.
My theory is, if it isn’t helpful, nice or positive then don’t say it.
Opinions are like arseholes – everyone has one right??
Now the thing with having an opinion is knowing when to express it and in what forum.
I have a LOT of opinions and my blog page is not the place for most of them 🙂 Now I could try and defend what I say by screaming “I was only being honest!! Honesty is a GOOD thing! Its admirable and awesome and makes me fantastic!!” But no, honesty is not an excuse for rude behaviour.
You’re fat. Oh I’m sorry, did that offend you? I was just being honest.
I really like her, but she so didn’t deserve to win that competition. Oh, do you think she will be hurt if she reads this? I was just being honest.
That baby name is really revolting, sounds like a strippers name. Oh your baby’s name is that? Did I upset you? I’m sorry. I was just being honest.
You’re fat. Oh I’m sorry, did that offend you? I was just being honest.
I really like her, but she so didn’t deserve to win that competition. Oh, do you think she will be hurt if she reads this? I was just being honest.
That baby name is really revolting, sounds like a strippers name. Oh your baby’s name is that? Did I upset you? I’m sorry. I was just being honest.
And just because other sensationalist sites such as MamaMia promote a similar line of hurtful remarks, does that make it acceptable or right? No, it doesn’t. Everybody knows that. LAME-O justification of a very petty remark.
People can acknowledge that their feelings get hurt by being personally attacked themselves (as did the writer of this statement I commented on, after 100 or so people disagreed with her), but they see it as OK to openly attack others under the guise of being funny or honest??
Ummm, double standards police??
Ummm, double standards police??
Perhaps one might even call the writer a bully and an attacker for encouraging her readers to gang up on a poor Mother and her choice of baby name.
This is my blog page. It is PUBLIC. Duh. That means everyone can see it and read it. It can get forwarded, screen shot and I have to be held accountable to its contents. I must be able to back up my opinion, stand by it and claim it as truly mine. Because it is on a PUBLIC sounding board, I accept that you, my lovely readers have the right to agree or disagree with me. I can state my opinion on Gun Control in the USA, Smoking when Pregnant or Prank Calls on the Radio and I have done this. Sometimes, some of your comments disagreeing with me have made me step back and take pause. I know I am not always right and if I feel that perhaps, after listening to other points of view that I could be wrong, then I accept that also. Its not easy reading people opinions who disagree with you, sometimes vehemently, but as I have put my opinion on a PUBLIC forum, I must accept the good with the bad. I have the right to say whatever I want on my blog page. This doesn’t mean I should. The only time I will remove a comment from a blog post or facebook discussion of mine is when they make hurtful personal comments about my family who cannot defend themselves. You don’t really know my family – you only know what I choose to share with you. It has only happened once and it was one comment.
So, anyhoo – just wanted to put it out there. It shits me that I cant state my case directly on her page, but that’s what happens when you get banned I guess. The comment boxes disappear. Poof!!
Please don’t mention names. This wasn’t written to name and shame, and I actually really like what the page has to offer and I believe the owner has a good heart. I have promoted it on my own page more than a few times as the charity work is admirable and I will continue to follow them.
I just want to say that its OK to disagree on a PUBLIC forum and we shouldn’t get our knickers in a twist if someone calls bullshit on our opinion. Its not attacking or bullying, its called debating and challenging someone’s statements and ideas. Making them accountable.
If you have opinions, believe in them. Stand for them. Own them.
And leave the ridiculous drama in the playground.
Oh, and Honesty NEVER excuses meanness.
Ever.
Well said! That is all. x
Perfectly said. And without mentioning names, or starting debate, I saw the comments you made, you stated your difference of opinion with respect, there was no attack and certainly no bullying. Hold your head up high, love your work 😉 xx
Totally agree with you!
Perfectly written!
Great post. I’ve been banned and blocked for months!!
Yup – the internet is meant to be a utopia of freedom of speech and constructive debate. Unfortunately many of us ( and I’m guilty of this) are too scared to express our opinions however respectfully because they will lead to storms in teacups like the one you’ve described. Aint nobody got time for dat.
Keep doing what you’re doing 2.5K.
Good luck with that Lisa ……… That is all……. Xxxx 😉
Your not alone, after calling out her behavior last year I was inundated with abusive messages from her personal account, I wrote off her page along time ago and was better for it. Unfortunately I believe the “free stuff” and charity drives are for an ego boost not for the right reasons. I’m all for healthy debate but you won’t get that over there.
I’ve never been blocked or banned and honestly, I’ve never had a super shitty comment on my blog. But I also have a LOT of opinions that I usually end up keeping to myself, simply because I know people moderate their comments and the ones that NEED to hear the reality of things won’t let them through. I think that’s shit. If you’re going to put it out there, you have to take the good with the parts that might not agree with you 100 percent. Just my opinion though…great rant 😉
Totally agree with you, and you won’t meet someone more sensitive to or against bullying, than I. When someone willingly puts their opinions into the public forum, they cannot avoid, or expect to avoid, opposing opinions. Opposing opinions are not bullying, because its just not personal – its a thought you’re disagreeing with, not something innately linked to that person. Attacking someone’s personal attributes and choices however does constitute bullying because its mean, and hurtful, and it is often not within the owners ability to change. Therefore I consider that what you disagreed with was far closer to bullying than what you did. I also agree that it probably wasn’t intentional bullying by the person who defriended you, she is never normally mean in her comments, and she was probably trying to be funny. But it happens all the time in the playground, when someone pokes fun at one who can’t defend themselves – the fact that it has a basis in humour doesn’t make it less hurtful, or less like bullying,or any more acceptable. We all have an obligation, whatever the consequences, to stand up for those who can’t, for whatever reason, defend themselves. We’re as bad the bully otherwise. Good for you, and don’t worry too much about this result, it’s out of your hands, you’ve stayed true to what you know is right – you will sleep easy 🙂
I saw the whole thing unfold also, and you were not in any way bullying or attacking. I have seen this kind of thing 9and much worse) unfold on that particular page too many times to count, and I think that one of the most telling signs is that their own horrible remarks are deleted, followed by the ‘woe is me’ posts, after she had banned people who can’t then comment. Some people thrive on drama. I am not one of them and have now unliked the page.
I totally agree with you, honesty is not an excuse for rudeness. xx
Totally agree with you, that page leaves me scratching my head regularly. So many unprofessional incidents, I am amazed that businesses would align themselves with it. Oh, and the sanctimony and martyrdom, I can barely stand it!
I unliked this page a month or so ago and have only recently stumbled across yours. It took me about 2 mins to figure out who you were referring too. She organised a charity collection. I spent $200 on products, which are now sitting in a cupboard because after way to long, she decided she was too busy to bother with it and I could no longer find a charity who required the kind of products we purchased. I said I was disappointed and then she turned all woe is me and had her friends hate on me. It was far from an attack on her yet the defences were quick! I did enjoy her general posts however unless you want the drama, you are probably better off being banned and not having it in your newsfeed. Hopefully the things I purchased will be useful the next time (inevitably) there is a natural disaster and I will be sending direct to the charity myself.
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